September 22

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There is nothing in the world more powerful than an idea. No weapon can destroy it; no power can conquer it except the power of another idea.
James R. Smith
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Quotes of the day from previous years:
I never desire to converse with a man who has written more than he has read. ~ Samuel Johnson
At least two thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity, idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religious or political idols. ~ Aldous Huxley
Delicious autumn! My very soul is wedded to it, and if I were a bird I would fly about the earth seeking the successive autumns. ~ George Eliot
  • proposed by Kalki for the first day of Autumn 2005 in Northern Hemisphere
The world is a country which nobody ever yet knew by description; one must travel through it one's self to be acquainted with it. ~ Philip Dormer Stanhope, 4th earl of Chesterfield (born 22 September 1694)
Just practice good, do good for others, without thinking of making yourself known so that you may gain reward. Really bring benefit to others, gaining nothing for yourself. This is the primary requisite for breaking free of attachments to the Self. ~ Dōgen (died today in 1253)
Wear your learning, like your watch, in a private pocket: and do not pull it out and strike it, merely to show that you have one. ~ Philip Dormer Stanhope, 4th earl of Chesterfield


Why sir, there is the probability that you will soon be able to tax it. – Michael Faraday (born September 22, 1791), answering the Chancellor of the Exchequer who had asked what was the use of electricity.

  • 4. David | Talk 21:02, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • 2 - A good quote; but it would need a line of explanation for context, which would make it less suitable for Quote of the Day - InvisibleSun 19:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
  • 1 Kalki 16:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 0 Zarbon 17:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 ~ UDScott 19:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
  • 1 Waheedone 00:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 ---Aphaia per InvisibleSun.

Advice is seldom welcome; and those who want it the most always like it the least. ~ Philip Dormer Stanhope, 4th earl of Chesterfield (born 22 September 1694)

  • 3 InvisibleSun 19:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
  • 3 Kalki 16:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 0 Zarbon 17:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 ~ UDScott 19:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
  • 1 Waheedone 00:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 3 --Aphaia 02:57, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

The strong man is strongest when alone. ~ Friedrich Schiller, Wilhelm Tell. (22 September 1499) - Switzerland became an independent state.

  • 3 Aphaia 08:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 3 Kalki 16:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 3 InvisibleSun 18:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 0 Zarbon 17:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 ~ UDScott 19:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
  • 1 Waheedone 00:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Work. Finish. Publish. ~ Michael Faraday (born today in 1791

  • 3 Aphaia 08:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 3 Kalki 16:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 3 InvisibleSun 18:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  • 0 Zarbon 17:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 ~ UDScott 19:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
  • 1 Waheedone 00:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

It isn't right to be obedient only when things go well; it is much harder to be a good, obedient soldier when things go badly and times are hard. Obedience and faith at such time is a virtue. ~ Wilhelm Keitel (born September 22)

  • 4 because this to me, is one of my three all-time favorite quotes. I have been waiting all year for this quotation and if a rating of 5 were possible, I would give it to this, since the wait has been rather long. The same goes for only two other selections of mine for this entire year. I have limited my rating of 4 to such an extent (only three quotes as I discussed many months earlier), in the hopes that they will make it this year. This particular quote defines loyalty and discipline and it describes the most important quality of a soldier in times of difficulty. Oh, how I am slave to the beautiful moral image of this quote. Please judge fairly, based upon the actual message of the quote and not who is saying it. I have been waiting a rather long time for this quote. Zarbon 04:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
    • SOURCE: The Nuremberg Interviews by Leon Goldensohn, Robert Gellately - History - 2004 - Page 166
  • 2 ~ UDScott 19:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
  • 0 Denji The general defense of all defendents at the Neurenberg trials was "Befehl ist Befehl", which comes down to same: shoving away one's responsibility for one's deeds. In the end the judges didn't agree with FM Keitel's view and was executed for the actions which he defends with this quote. The hard times he refers to is WWII, being obedient meant crimes against humanity. Though I respect your feelings towards the moral behind the quote, I disagree to the utmost degree with the meaning Keitel gave to it.
    • I don't think a rating of "0" is plausible unless the quotation is on the wrong date. The lowest rating I have given to a quote is 1, unless it was already used. This shouldn't even be taken into account since this person has absolutely no history on wikiquote whatsoever other than right here. Also, the fact that this person ignores the very guideline that we are judging quotations and not people is also dubious. This quote means a lot to me, and I have limited my 4 rating to a mere 3 quotes for the entire year, a rather large difference from prior. - Zarbon 04:11, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
      • I do not think any of our personal merit should be in the consideration of the quote and I did not attack this quote because of Keitel. I think the man has probably said a lot of very useful things. However, as I stated before this quote represents a view that upper echelon nazi's were not responsible for the Holocaust, because Hitler said they should kill those people. So my problem is not with Keitel, but with the thought behind the quote. Denji 12:02, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
        • You are being negligent. You can't rate something a 0 unless it is on the wrong date. Frankly, you are misinterpreting the quote. It wasn't even from the trial. It was from an interview with Leon Goldensohn. It was about Keitel's view of what was the most important quality of a soldier, according to him. This was his response. Initially, it strengthens his resolve and gives potential meaning to the already powerful message. A soldier is a great icon, revered by all countries. The quote was about loyalty and nothing else. Bare in mind that Keitel was responsible for the Oberkommando, which is the highest General unit of army commanders. As he was chief and a very smart war tactician, he truly was honorable as a man and again, the loyalty image here is superb. To remain loyal at times of difficulty is such a powerful act. It's what history has shown difficult (in the cases of Judas against Jesus and Brutus against Caesar. Those are but a few examples of treachery and betrayal in times of difficulty. And the actual unique morality and deep meaning showcased by loyalty is more higher, more magnificent...than any other emotion belonging and pertaining to the image of the soldier elite. That should explain why this quote is so powerful and why I choose it as one of my three favorite quotes of all time as my QOTD suggestions. I mean, I have literally broken down my suggestions of a rating of 4 to a mere 3 quotes for this entire year. This quote means a lot to me. - Zarbon 23:49, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
          • This quote is clearly about obedience, which is not to be confused with loyalty. "Loyalty" implies love or affinity for an entity (ie. person or cause), while "obedience" is a duty or obligation that does not necessarily involve any emotion. Judas and Brutus loved Jesus and Caesar, respectively, which made their actions disloyal. The whole point of "Et tu, Brute?" is that Caesar was betrayed by a friend, not some nameless sneaky senator. You gravely misinterpret this quote if you compare disobedient soldiery to Judas and Brutus. I rate this quote 1 Lyle 23:00, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
            • It is still one of my 3 favorite quotes of all time. It holds exceptionally powerful meaning and morality behind it. And frankly, you don't seem to be judging all the rest of the quotes on any pages. The fact that my favorite quotes mean a lot to me seems to bother you, along with a few others. I think what you can't accept/agree with is the fact that the people I strongly like from history are either German Nazis, Italian Fascists, Japanese Imperials, Soviet Russians, Ottoman Turks, Roman Soldiers, French Revolutionaries, etc. Yes, I like dictators, despots, and brutal conquerors. They are the ones who leave the biggest impact on history. For many it may be negative, but it is an impact nonetheless. To neglect all the MEANINGFUL and MORAL things that they say is to ERASE history and create what you want to be heard only, a one-sided, one-dimensional bore. The dilemma here is that people don't want to incorporate quotations that are made by powerful people who actually had power. All the presidents of America and the people of American history are being used and abused on a constant basis here. It is a very one-sided dogmatic view being expressed here mostly. I am especially tired from the extreme American sympathizer notions that are being played all the time on almost every date of suggestions. The fact that every year, on each important date in American history, a quote is added which depicts a strong nationalism toward America. This automatically becomes redundant and annoying. I myself am living in the country but I am not interested in a constant nationalism. The fact that all these powerful quotations from extremely powerful historic organizations are being shafted is seriously annoying. As Darth Sidious of Star Wars would say, "in order to understand the force, one must study all its aspects, not just the good." It is time to allow all the historic military people into the spotlight, not just those representing America. Now, from a military historical standpoint, look at this quote. The power, the sheer brilliance behind it. It encompasses a magnitude of utter loyalty. In order to be loyal, one must be devoted and obedient. The very word obedience strikes a powerful chord in this musical composition, if you will, this entendre known as life. My comrade, one cannot expect to be a soldier when times are good only, one must be a soldier at times of difficulty. That is all here. This is one of my three favorite quotes of all time.
              • Citing George Lucas's writing in "Revenge of the Sith" doesn't help your argument. And it doesn't bother me, nor could I even care, that this quote is meaningful to you. Is it meaningful to me? Yes, but in a bad way. I rank the quote low because I dislike it and therefore don't want it to be QOTD. I typically vote only on quotes that I appreciate or disdain. Your "3 favorite quotes" share the same theme - you shouldn't be surprised that I vote low on all of them. Lyle 15:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
                • Well, the fact of the matter is that my favorite theme is a powerful theme. To say that you don't like it is one thing. But to say that the quotes themselves aren't ironic and mesmerizing is another, for they are. I strongly like enthralling military-fanatic quotes. I will try my best to give my best suggestions the highest rating I possibly can and all I can do is hope that others will help my cause in breaking the ice because this constant same-ness in taking sides for QOTD is repetitive and biased. There must be quotes from all these fundamental people in order to incorporate history to the fullest extent. All morality must be heard. It might take some time for everyone to accept, but these quotes will hopefully be used. I am a patient person. Zarbon 02:46, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 Kalki 00:22, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
  • 2 InvisibleSun 23:09, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
  • 4 Waheedone 00:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 1 Aphaia 02:57, 27 October 2008 (UTC)